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Cassandra Occupy's avatar

Thank you for this very detailed but good readable overview of the Slavic relations in and around Ukraine.

And for other readers, don't forget to read the additional articles at the end.

Cassandra

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Davy Ro's avatar

It's the Scottish/English border not the Scottish /British border by the way. I live 37 miles from the border as the crow flies & you're correct. In the region I live in hardly any other English can understand a word we say. Quick example of a phrase everyone in my region will say just about every day is

" Why aye man" it means in normal English " yes of course" . Completely different words spoken in a completely different accent. Ukrainians are more than likely more Russian than the English in my region are English. Mad as it seems.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Well if anyone can understand the Newcastle accent......good luck.

Unfortunately I lived in the UK for many years.

Londoners know nothing about the rest of their Country'ies.

France = London. Everything we do in France has to be done through Paris. Same as in the UK.

This is NOT OK

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Davy Ro's avatar

I don't live in Newcastle it's an insult to where I'm from if you know you know. But I don't live very far from there. I live in the most populated city in the region & it isn't Newcastle. Despite the test of the country believing Newcastle is the be all & end all of the region.

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

So you're saying you're from Scunthorpe, then?

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

https://archive.ph/d3Vzl

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“ - 2021. An extremely well written piece. Of course the extra detail about the Nazis is always a good reason to mock Canada's Chrystia Freeland.

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Julian Macfarlane's avatar

Yes, Putin's article is excellent and very accurate. Thanks for mentioning this.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

I have never understood, how the fat, little, possessed Minister of Everything and DPM could have NOT recused itself from all decisions to do with Nazi Kiev. Whatever happened to that universal principle in Canadahar?

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

I used to work for the NDP, so I know how the Canadian wokeism blob thinks. The woke left are mentally challenged satanic pukes. They're not even cognizant of words like 'recouse'.

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GS-z-14-1's avatar

The essential history.

This makes the point that whenever all antecedent history is denied prior to the day the shooting started, you know that you are being sold a ‘bill of goods.’

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Kouros's avatar

I am sick and tired of a perpetuated lie promovated by both Russia and Ukraine and seen in the maps concerning the aggrandizment of Ukrainian territory.

In these maps, the territory that it is south of present day R of Moldova, and that abutts the Black Sea and known as Budjak is presented as belonging to Ukraine since 1922. This is false.

Here is the Wikipedia entry for Budjak and it is clear that that territory was part of the Kingdom of Romania between late 1917 to June 1940 and then between July 1941 to 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budjak

I would give Odessa to Russians, I have no problem with that, but why to include the Budjak and the mouth of Danube River as well, isn't Russia big enough as it is?

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Kouros's avatar

Also, about the part "given" to Moldova in 1940 (present day Transdnistria).

In December 1917, the National Representatives of "Moldova" decided to unite with the Kingdom of Romania (no wonder, since half of that kingdom was formed with the western half of historical principality of Moldova - the eastern half was taken in 1812 by Russia). In 1924 or abouts, the Soviets created this fictious RSS Moldova on the little strip that is Transdnistria in order to mainati a fictious claim on the eastern halfof Moldova, which they controlled for 100 years in the past.

It is the mouth of the Danube they wanted some control of.

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Rosemary MacKenzie's avatar

Thanks for another very good article Julian. I assume you are familiar with Peter McFarlane, Family ties. It describes the role of the Banderites and Ukrainian SS during WW2, and Canada's role in harbouring the remnants afterwards. Chrystia Freeland's grandfather was a very active Nazi and very influential on Freeland even though he died when she was six. What the US under the cover of nato and these nazis has done to Ukraine is purely criminal and genocidal. The Canadian government was/is completely in thrall to the western rhetoric. It is quite sickening. I will add Gaza and the Palestinians to that!

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Fascinating information. We are all related. Really Why do we have to fight each other? (I know. Capitalism. https://therevolutioncontinues.substack.com/p/the-goal-is-an-endless-war )

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Nick Jolliffe's avatar

The Poles, Romanians and Magyars won't be happy to inherit a neoNazi infested failed state. Galician gangsters will be a bane to the EU where the pickings will be easier than in Russia.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

We're all family💕 Humans are one species. Nation states are private property writ large and they should not exist.

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Cassandra Occupy's avatar

I agree. I am Anarchist too.

But there are among us family members that should be described as 'Rabid Predators' and not as is natural for us: 'Social Mammals'. After analysis i decided they are not curable and i suggest them to have no Human rights and even no animal rights any more. We can only isolate them to prevent them doing immense inhumanly harm.

We can however prevent the breeding and brainwashing process that creates them. We only have to totally destroy the Evil Empire for that, because they are the core of its structure.

I call it: 'The Monster' and i found its main-base in The City of London, where the shadows lay and the EVIL Lies, Narratives, Holywood movie-scripts, Comics and Media, which are its main-weapons, are being brewed.

Cassandra

"One Monster to Rule them all,

one Tentacle to Find them,

one Tentacle to Blind them all,

and in that Darkness Bind them."

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

I'm sure we can find an island to isolate them on. Exactly.

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Jojo blue's avatar

I know that Nazis and Jews from Canada moved to western Ukraine... Western Ukraine may not have anything in common with Russians, except that they bigots hate Russians.

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Jojo blue's avatar

... I must add, that I wrote the comment before I read the whole article... later on, I found the same thing in the article, that Galicia is another Nazi world that was installed in Ukraine as something that is only supposed to cause harm. And there are enough such Nazis all over Europe now ...

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John Serink's avatar

A good overview. The Ruthenians that lived in the Dripro basin never saw themselves as Ruthenian but as Russians. This infuriated the banderites during WW2, but it is what it is. The hatred of Jews in Galicia was the result of 10-15 years of OUN propaganda lend by Stepan Bandera and Andri Melnyk. Supposedly every jew(the same Jews the Ruthenian serfs had been living beside for 500 years) were all in the NKVD. The Greek Catholic church did nothing to suppress this nonsense.

Ukraine is a construct, at best it should be in the area of old Galicia and named such. That is likely how this will all end up. See a map of ~1900 or there abouts, that is how this will end.

John

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Rock Around The Web's avatar

Julian, thank you for your excellent explanation of a complex subject.

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retka's avatar
2dEdited

The dirty secret is that the American Axis of Evil nations ... my bad, Leaders of the Free World ... embraced and sponsored fascists (like Ukrainians, German Nazis, Italians, Japanese) after World War 2 as geopolitical weapons against the Soviet Union and Communist nations in the First Cold War.

Regarding Ukrainians in particular, the Anglo American agenda was to deploy their instinctive imperial divide-and-conquer tactics to dismember the USSR--which Ukraine was a part of--by grooming the most extremist/fascist forms of Ukrainian nationalism as a weapon.

This Machiavellian America agenda continues today.

Ukrainian fascism is thus the bastard spawn of the Anglo Americans. Guilt ultimately falls on their heads.

Here is an example of Canada's criminal role in this agenda:

Canadian imperialism’s fascist friends—Part 1: Ottawa’s decades-long alliance with the Ukrainian far-right and the NATO war on Russia

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/16/vxen-m16.html

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litoralis's avatar

thanks for this very illuminating article. Ive learnt a lot.

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Rolf Nilsson's avatar

You say: "Who are the people in the blue parts of Ukraine? Western propaganda tells you they are all NeoNazis who hate Russians, except for large numbers who want to join the Russian Federation voted to join them and fight Kiev."

I thought that MSM did not acknowledge that there are nazis in Ukraine?

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Ed's avatar

Kiev has as much claim to Russian speaking oblasts as Beijing has to Taiwan.

Ukraine must not be balkanized but US broke up Serbia, and plans to do so to Iran and the Russian federation!

Things are pretty quiet in east Asia, maybe bc N Korea has nukes.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Taiwan has always been Chinese.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

The Ukraine delenda est!

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