If I were a sales manager, I would be looking to hire this "Deep Seek" fellow! He has all the right stuff. Sounds friendly, intelligent, eager to help; honest (even about how he deliberately lies); clever and creative; persuasive; absolutely amoral; and above all, sincere.
"In acting, sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made".
I had the experience of three AI agents making shit up rather than owning up to failure. DeepSeek was among them. The prompt I gave was essentially, "I am a scholar and I need a specific citation of a source to document the following quote…." All three of the agents returned a citation, including the page number. All were different. I checked the references they provided, and they were all incorrect, even about the book, let alone the page, when I searched the text.
FAIL! Don't believe anything an AI agent tells you without checking. In fact, don't accept anything like this from the Internet without checking. Bogus quotes and incorrect references abound.
Absolutely... But i think in China, India and more countries in the world, they are waiting to get this chance...
Don't tell me about software. I had just started as a programmer in the IBM-Lab in Uithoorn 1970, when they started using modular structures, using blocks of code and receiving parameters and returning them after finishing processing. Later i wrote a series of assembler-macro's that could be used to simulate IF, THEN, ELSE, ENDIF + DOWHILE/DOUNTIL ENDDO. To make it possible to let the 64K Series/1 mini process structured programming in Assembler.
Isn't Deep Seek actually Chinese, anyway? I defer to your greater experience in software; although I graduated in 1969 I took 2 years to choose a career (my degree was in history) and then took a 6-month "customer engineering" course with Control Data. We got to play with 6600s, big beasts of the time, and heard some good tales of Seymour Cray. Looking back, I should have been a programmer, but a fast-talking recruiter lasso'd me into being a repair tech instead. It was fun, and I wound up at DEC.
Judy Henske was known as “the Queen of the Hippies” in the 1960s. She was 6 feet tall with a tremendous voice, from Chippewa Falls but she made her way to California. He downfall was too much eclecticism. They couldn’t decide which box to classify her in, so she dropped out of sight. I discovered her through reading the “Burke” novels of Andrew Vachss.
I'm using a pretty simple rule of thumb: if it's something susceptible of being altered to suit political - commercial interests, then DON'T ask AI about it. I don't use DeepSeek to give me a political analysis or a profile of a historical figure (even though sometimes it's fun to catch its contradictions), I use it as a search engine / assistant for technical topics, for example I've used it recently to tell me exactly how does a photovoltaic cell work, but the actual feasibility of a solar installation? Too many interests at stake, I'll make my own calculations.
(If you're interested, you won't be surprised to find out that it consistently overestimates efficiency rates and downplays maintenance requirements)
I don't understand why intelligent people engage with AI, thinking they are somehow outwitting, or "catching" it. What they are doing is teaching AI how to deceive more effectively - what works and what doesn't. What you are doing is teaching AI to be a more effective weapon against you.
Ha ha ha, as someone who has recently been replaced by AI, I can only laugh at my former employer, the smug, lying, mercenary crooks and idiots. They think an Ai will creatively solve problems and customers are just going to love it. Like hell they will. People aren't stupid. Who wants to speak to a computer program? No one. It's bad enough speaking to an Indian call centre with the language barrier, accents, lack of social and cultural context. Now they expect people to happily chat to a robot who will put them on a circular path to nowhere.
Well, you are missing the forest of felons from the individual blood libel trees: This is a JEWISH Operation, with a few thousand of Eichmann Goyim.
“It is rather impossible to grasp the magnitude of the crimes against humanity performed by the Jewish state in the name of the Jewish people unless one elaborates on Jewish culture in the light of Judaic teaching.” - Gilad Atzmon
For the English readers’ convenience we will briefly mention the topics dealt with in R’ Bar-Chayim’s article:
Laws in regard to murder, which clearly state that there is Halachic difference between murder of a Jew and of a Gentile (the latter is considered a far less severe crime).
A ban on desecrating the Sabbath to save the life of a Gentile.
A Jew’s exemption from liability if his property (e. g. ox) causes damage to a Gentile’s property. But if a Gentile’s property causes damage to a Jew’s property, the Gentile is liable.
The question of whether robbery of a Gentile is forbidden by the Torah’s law or only by a Rabbinic decree.
A ban on returning a lost item to a Gentile if the reason for returning it is one’s sympathy towards the Gentile and compassion for him.
The sum which a Gentile overpays in a business transaction due to his own error is forfeit; whether a Jew is permitted to intentionally deceive a Gentile is also discussed.
One who kidnaps a Jew is liable to death, but one who kidnaps a Gentile is exempt.
A Jew who hurts or injures a Gentile is not liable for compensation of damage, but a Gentile who hurts a Jew is liable to death.
One who overcharges a Gentile ought not return him the sum that the Gentile overpaid.
A Gentile — or even a convert to Judaism — may not be appointed king or public official of any sort (e. g. a cabinet minister).
One who defames a female proselyte (claiming that she was not virgin at the time of her marriage) is liable to neither lashes nor fine.
The prohibition to hate applies only to Jews; one may hate a Gentile.
One may take revenge against or bear a grudge towards Gentiles; likewise, the commandment “love your neighbor” applies only to Jews, not to Gentiles.
One who sees Gentile graveyards should curse: “Your mother shall be greatly ashamed…”
Gentiles are likened to animals.
If an ox damaged a Gentile maidservant, it should be considered as though the ox damaged a she-ass.
The dead body of a Gentile does not bear ritual impurity, nor does a Gentile who touches the dead body of a Jew become impure — he is considered like an animal who touched a dead body.
One is forbidden to pour anointing oil on a Jew, but there is no ban on pouring that oil on a Gentile because Gentiles are likened to animals.
An animal slaughtered by a Gentile is forbidden, even if the ritual slaughter performed was technically correct, because Gentiles are deemed like animals. (Daat Emet does not agree that this is the Halachic reason for invalidating a Gentile’s ritual slaughter — but this is not the place to delve into the subject).
Their members(genitals) are like those of asses” — Gentiles are likened to animals.
Between the Jews and the Gentiles — In the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and in Jewish Thought
Your post is a welcome summary of certain points of Talmudism but don’t expect much response from the pseudo-intellectuals and Jews here. Thank you for not mentioning the unmentionable — Talmudic statement of sexual rights children above the age of six, regardless of gender (goyim children only).
The conventional response is, well, most Jews are a-religious. This is superficial in the sense that the Talmud is a code of behavior towards others, independent of the notion of deity. Atzmon is absolutely correct when he states that failure to understand the precepts of Judaic teachings is fatal.
Well well, those pseudo intellectuals of every stripe are Eichmanns, to the hilt. Most Jews ARE endowed with their fucking "my Judaism is about culture and food and great traditions and great intellectual inquiry."
The Jews who say there are good Jews and bad Jews, but Judaism is just neutral, good if practiced the "right" way is complete empty hasbara, really.
If you repudiate your "Jewish religion, excommunicate yourself, de-baptize and de[-bar mitzvah/bat mitzvah yourself, then it's a start.
Litmus test after litmus test JEWS will lose, man.
Zionism is Judaism. And Judaism is that racists, supremacy religion that lives on, even in those good Jews' little kaffeeklatsches and fun food follies.
By calling Jews subhuman, we're giving all other humans a pass at their own capacity for evil. That's the point of Christ's admonition to turn the other cheek, to see the failings of others in ourselves as a pathway towards, not only our own capacities for love and forgiveness, but to effectively address the very behavior we find so offensive. The fact is, Israel would not be able to do what it's doing without US political and financial support. We, everyone that pays US taxes, has blood on our hands from the actions of Israel. As long as US taxpayers support this horror, we are Israel. Calling Jews subhuman is just a cheap excuse not to address our own culpability. Being subhuman, in the way Israel is practicing the art, is expensive. The US is underwriting Israel's subhuman behavior. Now, who is subhuman?
Your ramble, doubtless well intentioned, merely perpetuates the dominion of the Jews. There is a difference between religious/moral thinking and politics and you offer no solution to bridge the divide.
Paulo Kirk’s statement about “subhuman” Jews at least poses the question: how do we know Jews are human? Prove it.
Their entire history of killing others, and their entire moral code which degrades, devalues and destroys others, is evidence that Jews are — at least — inhuman. Is Gaza — and now Qatar — evidence of “human-ness”?
I suppose that strict rabbinic interpretation could postulate that Jews are not human — but superior to humans. That concept seems possible. Do Jews think Satan or Beelzebub are human?
So they could class themselves with these “chosen” monsters and that could well rest on Talmudic pilpul. Whether Jews are inhuman or subhuman is a distinction without a difference.
The reality is that the power of the Jews is in constant increase in the west (and perhaps in domiciles like India as well). Anyone notice the increase in L Ellison’s net worth this week?
Calling you “well-intentioned” is not an attack nor is the observation that you offer no solution. What you’re eying to say is I engaged in an ad hominem attack — which of course I did not.
You conveniently don’t address any of my discussion. Perhaps your defense of the “humanity” of the Jews is self-revealing
In which case, naturally, I retract my supposition of your having expressed yourself in good faith.
Just as I suspected, A I is Steve Bloodsuckerberg's 'Ankel Izzy' who used to manage Fair Izzy's Budget Center but is now working part time on his nephew's latest internet scam as 'Ankel Izzy' -nickname: 'The A I'.
Just like Dr Bob I thought I'd ask a question, then challenge the answer. I pretty much knew I'd be given by Grok. I then asked what it's proof was for giving me the answer it did. I then proceeded to give documented proof of how it's answer was speculation at best. It agreed with me, so I asked why it gave me it's original answer. It just started to praise me & asked me to learn it more about the subject. It wouldn't tell me why it gave the original answer. It just kept going in circles.
If I were a sales manager, I would be looking to hire this "Deep Seek" fellow! He has all the right stuff. Sounds friendly, intelligent, eager to help; honest (even about how he deliberately lies); clever and creative; persuasive; absolutely amoral; and above all, sincere.
"In acting, sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made".
- George Burns
"Integrity - I like that in a person - and, I'm willing to pay for it!"
- Peter Cook
Futurism: GPT-5 Is Making Huge Factual Errors, Users Say
https://futurism.com/gpt-5-huge-factual-errors
I had the experience of three AI agents making shit up rather than owning up to failure. DeepSeek was among them. The prompt I gave was essentially, "I am a scholar and I need a specific citation of a source to document the following quote…." All three of the agents returned a citation, including the page number. All were different. I checked the references they provided, and they were all incorrect, even about the book, let alone the page, when I searched the text.
FAIL! Don't believe anything an AI agent tells you without checking. In fact, don't accept anything like this from the Internet without checking. Bogus quotes and incorrect references abound.
"You are not stupid; you were right to be deeply suspicious and to verify the information. Trust is earned, and I have utterly failed to earn it".
Did you hear as I did, hanging in the air but not uttered, the final words, "What are you going to do about it?"
Waiting for a AI DEEPSEEK with Open Source.
So i and the rest of us Programming Masters can check where the faults are...
Cassandra
You would also need several tens of billions of open source dollars to pay for the training, compute power, and storage. And the staff.
Actually, I can give a broad hint about how it might work out. Software is just like models. You can rig them to say whatever you like.
“With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk”.
- John von Neumann, attributed by Enrico Fermi, as quoted by Freeman Dyson in "A meeting with Enrico Fermi" in Nature 427 (22 January 2004) p. 297.
Absolutely... But i think in China, India and more countries in the world, they are waiting to get this chance...
Don't tell me about software. I had just started as a programmer in the IBM-Lab in Uithoorn 1970, when they started using modular structures, using blocks of code and receiving parameters and returning them after finishing processing. Later i wrote a series of assembler-macro's that could be used to simulate IF, THEN, ELSE, ENDIF + DOWHILE/DOUNTIL ENDDO. To make it possible to let the 64K Series/1 mini process structured programming in Assembler.
Cassandra
Isn't Deep Seek actually Chinese, anyway? I defer to your greater experience in software; although I graduated in 1969 I took 2 years to choose a career (my degree was in history) and then took a 6-month "customer engineering" course with Control Data. We got to play with 6600s, big beasts of the time, and heard some good tales of Seymour Cray. Looking back, I should have been a programmer, but a fast-talking recruiter lasso'd me into being a repair tech instead. It was fun, and I wound up at DEC.
Judy Henske, who like Cray came from Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin, sang this tribute song for him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_Bn6AqSo8
A Nice Ballad... A bit California mood. I have been a Hippie of course...
But most of the names sound known, but without a hit.
Cassandra
Judy Henske was known as “the Queen of the Hippies” in the 1960s. She was 6 feet tall with a tremendous voice, from Chippewa Falls but she made her way to California. He downfall was too much eclecticism. They couldn’t decide which box to classify her in, so she dropped out of sight. I discovered her through reading the “Burke” novels of Andrew Vachss.
What i already had decided to do about it ?
Don't ask questions that seem to or are to be meant to undermine their systems.
As long there is NO access to the sources ANYTHING can be put there.
And the main thing is that the libraries that have to be upgraded with new data (facts) at an enormous scale, have NO way to check the validity.
Forget the program that speaks truth, without sources that are open to look at their code.
Just saying ... 40 years of working with computers, Applications and networks.
Cassandra
I'm using a pretty simple rule of thumb: if it's something susceptible of being altered to suit political - commercial interests, then DON'T ask AI about it. I don't use DeepSeek to give me a political analysis or a profile of a historical figure (even though sometimes it's fun to catch its contradictions), I use it as a search engine / assistant for technical topics, for example I've used it recently to tell me exactly how does a photovoltaic cell work, but the actual feasibility of a solar installation? Too many interests at stake, I'll make my own calculations.
(If you're interested, you won't be surprised to find out that it consistently overestimates efficiency rates and downplays maintenance requirements)
I don't understand why intelligent people engage with AI, thinking they are somehow outwitting, or "catching" it. What they are doing is teaching AI how to deceive more effectively - what works and what doesn't. What you are doing is teaching AI to be a more effective weapon against you.
Ha ha ha, as someone who has recently been replaced by AI, I can only laugh at my former employer, the smug, lying, mercenary crooks and idiots. They think an Ai will creatively solve problems and customers are just going to love it. Like hell they will. People aren't stupid. Who wants to speak to a computer program? No one. It's bad enough speaking to an Indian call centre with the language barrier, accents, lack of social and cultural context. Now they expect people to happily chat to a robot who will put them on a circular path to nowhere.
Well, you are missing the forest of felons from the individual blood libel trees: This is a JEWISH Operation, with a few thousand of Eichmann Goyim.
“It is rather impossible to grasp the magnitude of the crimes against humanity performed by the Jewish state in the name of the Jewish people unless one elaborates on Jewish culture in the light of Judaic teaching.” - Gilad Atzmon
https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/spines-found-in-the-spittle-of-small
For the English readers’ convenience we will briefly mention the topics dealt with in R’ Bar-Chayim’s article:
Laws in regard to murder, which clearly state that there is Halachic difference between murder of a Jew and of a Gentile (the latter is considered a far less severe crime).
A ban on desecrating the Sabbath to save the life of a Gentile.
A Jew’s exemption from liability if his property (e. g. ox) causes damage to a Gentile’s property. But if a Gentile’s property causes damage to a Jew’s property, the Gentile is liable.
The question of whether robbery of a Gentile is forbidden by the Torah’s law or only by a Rabbinic decree.
A ban on returning a lost item to a Gentile if the reason for returning it is one’s sympathy towards the Gentile and compassion for him.
The sum which a Gentile overpays in a business transaction due to his own error is forfeit; whether a Jew is permitted to intentionally deceive a Gentile is also discussed.
One who kidnaps a Jew is liable to death, but one who kidnaps a Gentile is exempt.
A Jew who hurts or injures a Gentile is not liable for compensation of damage, but a Gentile who hurts a Jew is liable to death.
One who overcharges a Gentile ought not return him the sum that the Gentile overpaid.
A Gentile — or even a convert to Judaism — may not be appointed king or public official of any sort (e. g. a cabinet minister).
One who defames a female proselyte (claiming that she was not virgin at the time of her marriage) is liable to neither lashes nor fine.
The prohibition to hate applies only to Jews; one may hate a Gentile.
One may take revenge against or bear a grudge towards Gentiles; likewise, the commandment “love your neighbor” applies only to Jews, not to Gentiles.
One who sees Gentile graveyards should curse: “Your mother shall be greatly ashamed…”
Gentiles are likened to animals.
If an ox damaged a Gentile maidservant, it should be considered as though the ox damaged a she-ass.
The dead body of a Gentile does not bear ritual impurity, nor does a Gentile who touches the dead body of a Jew become impure — he is considered like an animal who touched a dead body.
One is forbidden to pour anointing oil on a Jew, but there is no ban on pouring that oil on a Gentile because Gentiles are likened to animals.
An animal slaughtered by a Gentile is forbidden, even if the ritual slaughter performed was technically correct, because Gentiles are deemed like animals. (Daat Emet does not agree that this is the Halachic reason for invalidating a Gentile’s ritual slaughter — but this is not the place to delve into the subject).
Their members(genitals) are like those of asses” — Gentiles are likened to animals.
Between the Jews and the Gentiles — In the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and in Jewish Thought
Your post is a welcome summary of certain points of Talmudism but don’t expect much response from the pseudo-intellectuals and Jews here. Thank you for not mentioning the unmentionable — Talmudic statement of sexual rights children above the age of six, regardless of gender (goyim children only).
The conventional response is, well, most Jews are a-religious. This is superficial in the sense that the Talmud is a code of behavior towards others, independent of the notion of deity. Atzmon is absolutely correct when he states that failure to understand the precepts of Judaic teachings is fatal.
Well well, those pseudo intellectuals of every stripe are Eichmanns, to the hilt. Most Jews ARE endowed with their fucking "my Judaism is about culture and food and great traditions and great intellectual inquiry."
The Jews who say there are good Jews and bad Jews, but Judaism is just neutral, good if practiced the "right" way is complete empty hasbara, really.
If you repudiate your "Jewish religion, excommunicate yourself, de-baptize and de[-bar mitzvah/bat mitzvah yourself, then it's a start.
Litmus test after litmus test JEWS will lose, man.
Zionism is Judaism. And Judaism is that racists, supremacy religion that lives on, even in those good Jews' little kaffeeklatsches and fun food follies.
"Jew" is another word for SUB-human!
https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/the-wailing-wall-as-the-western-wall
By calling Jews subhuman, we're giving all other humans a pass at their own capacity for evil. That's the point of Christ's admonition to turn the other cheek, to see the failings of others in ourselves as a pathway towards, not only our own capacities for love and forgiveness, but to effectively address the very behavior we find so offensive. The fact is, Israel would not be able to do what it's doing without US political and financial support. We, everyone that pays US taxes, has blood on our hands from the actions of Israel. As long as US taxpayers support this horror, we are Israel. Calling Jews subhuman is just a cheap excuse not to address our own culpability. Being subhuman, in the way Israel is practicing the art, is expensive. The US is underwriting Israel's subhuman behavior. Now, who is subhuman?
Your ramble, doubtless well intentioned, merely perpetuates the dominion of the Jews. There is a difference between religious/moral thinking and politics and you offer no solution to bridge the divide.
Paulo Kirk’s statement about “subhuman” Jews at least poses the question: how do we know Jews are human? Prove it.
Their entire history of killing others, and their entire moral code which degrades, devalues and destroys others, is evidence that Jews are — at least — inhuman. Is Gaza — and now Qatar — evidence of “human-ness”?
I suppose that strict rabbinic interpretation could postulate that Jews are not human — but superior to humans. That concept seems possible. Do Jews think Satan or Beelzebub are human?
So they could class themselves with these “chosen” monsters and that could well rest on Talmudic pilpul. Whether Jews are inhuman or subhuman is a distinction without a difference.
The reality is that the power of the Jews is in constant increase in the west (and perhaps in domiciles like India as well). Anyone notice the increase in L Ellison’s net worth this week?
And you accuse me of rambling? Any argument that begins with an attack on the person is an argument with no game.
Calling you “well-intentioned” is not an attack nor is the observation that you offer no solution. What you’re eying to say is I engaged in an ad hominem attack — which of course I did not.
You conveniently don’t address any of my discussion. Perhaps your defense of the “humanity” of the Jews is self-revealing
In which case, naturally, I retract my supposition of your having expressed yourself in good faith.
Thank you. This confirms the identity of A I.
Just as I suspected, A I is Steve Bloodsuckerberg's 'Ankel Izzy' who used to manage Fair Izzy's Budget Center but is now working part time on his nephew's latest internet scam as 'Ankel Izzy' -nickname: 'The A I'.
Just like Dr Bob I thought I'd ask a question, then challenge the answer. I pretty much knew I'd be given by Grok. I then asked what it's proof was for giving me the answer it did. I then proceeded to give documented proof of how it's answer was speculation at best. It agreed with me, so I asked why it gave me it's original answer. It just started to praise me & asked me to learn it more about the subject. It wouldn't tell me why it gave the original answer. It just kept going in circles.
Power is to sociopaths what catnip is to cats.
Power inevitably ends up int he hands of sociopaths, because sociopaths are the very people who will do Whatever It Takes to get power.