What we never hear in the West is just how many of these hits on civilian targets are actually the result of “friendly fire” by air defence missiles gone astray. To your point, though, the Ukies have a habit of co-locating military targets near civvie centres of various sorts, much the way Israel put a command centre under a hospital.
The Ukies have been setting up command centers and housing units in civilian buildings throughout the conflict. That was clear right from the beginning, especially in Mariupol. On the problems with cities like Konstantinovka was clearing the rats from the cellars. that is AFU units from basements. Takes time.. "Fortification" . More like "infestation". I should mention that Kiev's biochemistry center has been associated (according to some reports) with American gain of function development of viruses.
"A shopping mall as a target. It seems to have been hit because it was right next to a real target".
I am sure I remember a shopping mall in Odessa being struck several years ago - back when it seemed likely that the Russians would move on the city soon.
There was much squawking, but sources I thought credible said that the Ukrainians had been using it to store weapons and ammunition.
I recall a shopping mall in Kiev I think. And yes the reports that the Ukrainians were using it for some military purpose seems credible. But Russian strikes in those days were less precise than they are notw.
Yes. And even if blowing up their booze warehouse was collateral damage, or just for the yucks, it will means less vodka to wash down the amphetamines the occupying forces seem to depend on.
Ultimately, surrendering Ukrainians get the possibility of a future. And for all the disastrous oopsadaisy "errors" made by their elite, they do deserve that, a future, as much as anybody else. Every rhetorical trick that prolongs the catastrophe is evil.
According to RT at about 22:00 GMT+1m Konstantinovka is liberated.
Blowing up a wine warehouse is personally offensive to me. I LOVE wine! So now I have become Ukrophobic. I love wine but I can't drink it. My form of autism makes me sensitive to alcohol which affects my dopamine levels and acts like a drug. So, only half a glass at a time, alas. Anyway, this was an atrocity. Evil. An offensive against God.
Thank you for the Warning on reporting by 'mappers.'
I still follow ->https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary/videos Dima works from Belarus and speaks all languages in the region, was military and has a network of 'real' often military mappers too, from both sides, who try to find together what is real and what isn't. He mentions without warning what the Kiev-side mentions, as he does for the Russian side also, (Kiev is always very fast and Moscow waits often till the result is official). But you quickly learn that. Follow him for 2 or 3 maps each day for some days and you learn the Truth of what is going on in the SMO. He also gives geopolitical news sometimes, but that is not his strong point, except when you don't use other sources.
I am not sure how clear it was. The more I researched it, the more insidious it seems. I do credit Rybar and others for trying to figure it out, however. Armchair Warlord was good when he was writing. But he hasn't written for months. The best analyst is still Schryver. I notice Alastair Crooke quoting him. Schryver get its right I reckon 90 % of the time. The problem with OSINT analysis is that you have to apply "falsifiability" to all reports and claims, to your own assumptions, just as in hard science. This is the basic principle of all forensic analyses. Schryver does this intuitively. I have learned a HUGE amount from him! The trouble with Martyanov is that he doesn't analyze really -- he just says , "they're fucking morons who never went to school". I enjoy his put-downs frankly.... but I am not sure it adds to the discussion.
I think Martyanov's tired of having to rebuff hare-brained "reports" and "analisys" repeating verbatim whatever the coke-induced fable of the day is. After all, to say some bullshit takes little effort: to debunk it, takes a hundred times more time, energy, knowledge and effort, and especially since one has already done the debunking a hundred times... at some point he says, fuck it, fuck them and fuck everyone so dumb to believe that crap. Just for example, he explained repeatedly just how difficult it is to find a missile platform in the ocean, taking into account the area of the circle representing the missile's maximum range, the speed and detection capabilities of the recon elements you have, to put together a search pattern and evaluate how many hours it will take to find the platform. And all of that assuming the missile flew in a straight line , the platform hasn't moved and your sensors are actually capable of detecting it, considering both technology and weather conditions. After going through all that, with formulas, maps, graphs, repeatedly, no wonder that when the n-th idiot with a degree in gender studies or a past military experience as a Call of Duty streamer come up and boldly, and shamelessly, puts up a clickbait video that ignores every single aspect of physic, he gets fed up and just says "fuck'em". Having had to deal with a number of such morons on a regular basis - one exemplary idiot claiming "Russia is not taking the war seriously" for fuck's sake - I can fully understand the feeling. Writing endless essays over and over to rebuff incompetents repeating the same shit over and over is not what he's there for, after all.
What we never hear in the West is just how many of these hits on civilian targets are actually the result of “friendly fire” by air defence missiles gone astray. To your point, though, the Ukies have a habit of co-locating military targets near civvie centres of various sorts, much the way Israel put a command centre under a hospital.
The Ukies have been setting up command centers and housing units in civilian buildings throughout the conflict. That was clear right from the beginning, especially in Mariupol. On the problems with cities like Konstantinovka was clearing the rats from the cellars. that is AFU units from basements. Takes time.. "Fortification" . More like "infestation". I should mention that Kiev's biochemistry center has been associated (according to some reports) with American gain of function development of viruses.
"A shopping mall as a target. It seems to have been hit because it was right next to a real target".
I am sure I remember a shopping mall in Odessa being struck several years ago - back when it seemed likely that the Russians would move on the city soon.
There was much squawking, but sources I thought credible said that the Ukrainians had been using it to store weapons and ammunition.
I recall a shopping mall in Kiev I think. And yes the reports that the Ukrainians were using it for some military purpose seems credible. But Russian strikes in those days were less precise than they are notw.
Yes. And even if blowing up their booze warehouse was collateral damage, or just for the yucks, it will means less vodka to wash down the amphetamines the occupying forces seem to depend on.
Ultimately, surrendering Ukrainians get the possibility of a future. And for all the disastrous oopsadaisy "errors" made by their elite, they do deserve that, a future, as much as anybody else. Every rhetorical trick that prolongs the catastrophe is evil.
According to RT at about 22:00 GMT+1m Konstantinovka is liberated.
Blowing up a wine warehouse is personally offensive to me. I LOVE wine! So now I have become Ukrophobic. I love wine but I can't drink it. My form of autism makes me sensitive to alcohol which affects my dopamine levels and acts like a drug. So, only half a glass at a time, alas. Anyway, this was an atrocity. Evil. An offensive against God.
Dionysus will have their guts for garters. (Literally).
Thank you for the Warning on reporting by 'mappers.'
I still follow ->https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary/videos Dima works from Belarus and speaks all languages in the region, was military and has a network of 'real' often military mappers too, from both sides, who try to find together what is real and what isn't. He mentions without warning what the Kiev-side mentions, as he does for the Russian side also, (Kiev is always very fast and Moscow waits often till the result is official). But you quickly learn that. Follow him for 2 or 3 maps each day for some days and you learn the Truth of what is going on in the SMO. He also gives geopolitical news sometimes, but that is not his strong point, except when you don't use other sources.
Just saying.
Cassandra
Thanks for the clear description of the distortions of the western sources
I am not sure how clear it was. The more I researched it, the more insidious it seems. I do credit Rybar and others for trying to figure it out, however. Armchair Warlord was good when he was writing. But he hasn't written for months. The best analyst is still Schryver. I notice Alastair Crooke quoting him. Schryver get its right I reckon 90 % of the time. The problem with OSINT analysis is that you have to apply "falsifiability" to all reports and claims, to your own assumptions, just as in hard science. This is the basic principle of all forensic analyses. Schryver does this intuitively. I have learned a HUGE amount from him! The trouble with Martyanov is that he doesn't analyze really -- he just says , "they're fucking morons who never went to school". I enjoy his put-downs frankly.... but I am not sure it adds to the discussion.
I think Martyanov's tired of having to rebuff hare-brained "reports" and "analisys" repeating verbatim whatever the coke-induced fable of the day is. After all, to say some bullshit takes little effort: to debunk it, takes a hundred times more time, energy, knowledge and effort, and especially since one has already done the debunking a hundred times... at some point he says, fuck it, fuck them and fuck everyone so dumb to believe that crap. Just for example, he explained repeatedly just how difficult it is to find a missile platform in the ocean, taking into account the area of the circle representing the missile's maximum range, the speed and detection capabilities of the recon elements you have, to put together a search pattern and evaluate how many hours it will take to find the platform. And all of that assuming the missile flew in a straight line , the platform hasn't moved and your sensors are actually capable of detecting it, considering both technology and weather conditions. After going through all that, with formulas, maps, graphs, repeatedly, no wonder that when the n-th idiot with a degree in gender studies or a past military experience as a Call of Duty streamer come up and boldly, and shamelessly, puts up a clickbait video that ignores every single aspect of physic, he gets fed up and just says "fuck'em". Having had to deal with a number of such morons on a regular basis - one exemplary idiot claiming "Russia is not taking the war seriously" for fuck's sake - I can fully understand the feeling. Writing endless essays over and over to rebuff incompetents repeating the same shit over and over is not what he's there for, after all.
What a riot. Great description you gave! Frustrating for sure.