I do think it is interesting to see when the NYT starts to back away from some of its bullshit, when it becomes obvious that it has been spewing bullshit. I sincerely doubt that the Duran used the NYT as a starting point.
Actually, it hasn't backed away from its bullshit at all. The Duran and many other MAM (Mainstream Alt Media) sites often start from the "News"--which is defined as what the MSM says. But the "News" is not "news" -- it is propaganda. You are not getting what is happening but what the West wants you to THINK is happening. Caitlin Johnstone gets this very clearly. Most people do not. If you start with NYT or WaPo or BBC conflating them with "News" you are reinforcing that initial premise.
My assumption, with all $MSM, is that it is Opposite Day. My assumption is always 'what do they want me to think?". The most clear way to see this, for me, is to read my "recommended" stuff, on Youtube, which is full of Duran, et al., due to the algorithms, and then look at Youtube's "news", which is generally quite different, on the same subjects. It is, sadly, almost funny, in a way. I do find it interesting to see what I am supposed to be thinking. I do tend to like alt news that just recounts factual stuff, I grow weary of lengthy ranting, because mostly that is ranting to the choir. I don't really need to have confirmation of my views.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for intelligent men to act as if fools and liars can be reasoned with”.......Brilliant. Worth at least a coffee.
I think analyzing what the NYT or any mainstream outlet says is useful as propaganda deconstruction. In other words, the narrative they want you to believe. Mercouris also spends a lot of time on Economist and FT for the same reason. They read it so we don’t have to.
That is a good point. However, the MSM represent a belief system, rather like religion. You can deconstruct all belief systems -- but those who don't believe don't really care that much. It' s interesting but they believe something different. "They read it so we don’t have to." That's a good point! But, then again, why should we "have to" read them? Somehow, most people (including me) feel we "have to".... Because we were brought up to. (At least , I was....LOL). Sorry this is not a very coherent reply.
In any case, I have great admiration and respect for Mercouris!
For those who have a better command of the English language than I do, what does the word “tramp”, in the title of the jazz standard The Lady is a Tramp, actually mean? I always thought it referred to a vagrant, or person of no fixed abode, but that seems not to fit the context.
I used it in the sense of a lack of values. Personally, it is not the number of sexual partners, it is the lack of values that matters-- concern for others.
There really is no sense in unpicking "news" stories in western mainstream media. They are trash. They are junk. They are lies. Alex M especially spends way too much time on this with lengthy discussions about western commentators are saying as if there is anything important to be gleaned from this. I doubt he'd be convincing anyone who still reads that trash, so why bother? Western MSM is only good to measure how desperate the lies of the powers-that-be are.
I used to read the NYT every morning. I found its content informative. But there were some articles that would take me a long time to read. I thought its because I was slow.
Then Covid happened and I started seeing it for what it really is.
That’s when I realized that the reason it was taking so long to read these articles was not because I was slow. But because it was crafted propaganda using linguistic and psychological techniques to manipulate me into believing whatever they want me to believe - my mind could not accept it so it kept resisting.
Now I don’t read the NYT anymore. I’m much happier.
You were correct. NYT articles are using a certain technique, well-known in media circles. They are long and have a lot of content. The trouble is that the content leaves out a lot of important information or distorts facts or is false -- but there is so much of it -- it's a cognitive tange. Each article is a Gordian Knot.
Other than the weather, I ignore the msm. Better things to do with my time!
I do think it is interesting to see when the NYT starts to back away from some of its bullshit, when it becomes obvious that it has been spewing bullshit. I sincerely doubt that the Duran used the NYT as a starting point.
Actually, it hasn't backed away from its bullshit at all. The Duran and many other MAM (Mainstream Alt Media) sites often start from the "News"--which is defined as what the MSM says. But the "News" is not "news" -- it is propaganda. You are not getting what is happening but what the West wants you to THINK is happening. Caitlin Johnstone gets this very clearly. Most people do not. If you start with NYT or WaPo or BBC conflating them with "News" you are reinforcing that initial premise.
My assumption, with all $MSM, is that it is Opposite Day. My assumption is always 'what do they want me to think?". The most clear way to see this, for me, is to read my "recommended" stuff, on Youtube, which is full of Duran, et al., due to the algorithms, and then look at Youtube's "news", which is generally quite different, on the same subjects. It is, sadly, almost funny, in a way. I do find it interesting to see what I am supposed to be thinking. I do tend to like alt news that just recounts factual stuff, I grow weary of lengthy ranting, because mostly that is ranting to the choir. I don't really need to have confirmation of my views.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for intelligent men to act as if fools and liars can be reasoned with”.......Brilliant. Worth at least a coffee.
Larry and Alexander Mercouris were not utilizing the NYT article as a news source, but, rather as a cipher to what the PTB are thinking.
I recognize that. But they need to define that explicitly as Caitlin Johnstone does so well. That said, Larry and Alex are superb analysts.
I ended my Wash. Post account 6 months ago....aarghhhh it's still there!
For MSM addiction, just say NO.
I did!. Have not been using MSM for 2 yrs.
That's why I read Al Mayadeen instead. :)
Yes, there many actually informative outlets out there. Alternative. Not "additional".
I think analyzing what the NYT or any mainstream outlet says is useful as propaganda deconstruction. In other words, the narrative they want you to believe. Mercouris also spends a lot of time on Economist and FT for the same reason. They read it so we don’t have to.
PS LOVE our site. Very interesting. Hope more people visit it.
That is a good point. However, the MSM represent a belief system, rather like religion. You can deconstruct all belief systems -- but those who don't believe don't really care that much. It' s interesting but they believe something different. "They read it so we don’t have to." That's a good point! But, then again, why should we "have to" read them? Somehow, most people (including me) feel we "have to".... Because we were brought up to. (At least , I was....LOL). Sorry this is not a very coherent reply.
In any case, I have great admiration and respect for Mercouris!
It is always good to know a bit of what your enemy is doing.
For those who have a better command of the English language than I do, what does the word “tramp”, in the title of the jazz standard The Lady is a Tramp, actually mean? I always thought it referred to a vagrant, or person of no fixed abode, but that seems not to fit the context.
It is colloquial. It means variously a vagrant, a hobo, and a promiscuous woman without values. (A sex worker is not a "tramp".)
Easy woman, probably denigrating women if they sleep around a lot.
Men are Don Juan's/Casanovas women are 'tramps.'
I used it in the sense of a lack of values. Personally, it is not the number of sexual partners, it is the lack of values that matters-- concern for others.
"Tramp" also means "a woman regarded as behaving immorally, esp. a prostitute."
(From https://www.wordreference.com/definition/tramp)
Kind of old reference. I do not regard prostitutes as immoral. If they are, most men are immoral.
There really is no sense in unpicking "news" stories in western mainstream media. They are trash. They are junk. They are lies. Alex M especially spends way too much time on this with lengthy discussions about western commentators are saying as if there is anything important to be gleaned from this. I doubt he'd be convincing anyone who still reads that trash, so why bother? Western MSM is only good to measure how desperate the lies of the powers-that-be are.
I agree.
I used to read the NYT every morning. I found its content informative. But there were some articles that would take me a long time to read. I thought its because I was slow.
Then Covid happened and I started seeing it for what it really is.
That’s when I realized that the reason it was taking so long to read these articles was not because I was slow. But because it was crafted propaganda using linguistic and psychological techniques to manipulate me into believing whatever they want me to believe - my mind could not accept it so it kept resisting.
Now I don’t read the NYT anymore. I’m much happier.
You were correct. NYT articles are using a certain technique, well-known in media circles. They are long and have a lot of content. The trouble is that the content leaves out a lot of important information or distorts facts or is false -- but there is so much of it -- it's a cognitive tange. Each article is a Gordian Knot.
The Dodo was hunted into extinction as far as I know.
Too bad.
Perhaps with our survival skills honed to listen to the truth the NYT will slip into extinction as well.
So dependable this news tramp with the false eyelashes, cheap cologne, tawdry tastes for many.
I think I added a link about the Dodo. No?